>> again, catch megyn's exclusive interview with bill ayers monday night, 9:00 eastern right here on "the kelly file." thanks for watching. this is "the kelly file." she's back on monday. tonight, al qaeda is back and taking off iraq. who are these militants? >> they live tweeted the headings. they took credit for crucifixions. >> what do they want? >> this is what osama bin laden was talking about more than a decade ago. >> this is exactly that moment before our eyes. >> should americans worry? >> there is a real danger of something using a nuclear weapon on the united states. >> fox news reporting, iraq and the rise of a terrorist state. from washington, here's chris wallace. >> good evening. with an offshoot of al qaeda threatening to take over iraq, america finds itself being drawn

back into that dangerous part of the world. president obama has sent military advisers to baghdad and after a long delay, he's now asking congress for $500 million to set up a training program for rebels fighting in syria. tonight, we're going to look at the crisis, how we got here, what's happening on the ground, how we go forward. we'll sit down with former vice president dick cheney, talk with military tacticians and take a look at the big picture with our expert panel. but we begin with the latest on the story that's gripped the nation and the world. >> more than half of the u.s. military advisers are now in baghdad where they have set up a joint operations center to serve as a commanding control headquarters for the nearly 500 u.s. troops currently stationed in iraq. on friday, the u.s. began flying armed surveillance drones over baghdad. but president obama has not yet authorized the use of force. >> we're not sending combat

troops into iraq. >> meanwhile, secretary of state )hp)abia's day after the king reportedly ordered a heightened terror alert in his kingdom, strengthened border security and called up saudi military units. iraq's defense ministry issued this video which it says shows iraqi military vehicles driving along the main road between baghdad and the city of samarra. after it purportedly cleared it of isis fighters. on tuesday, the iraqi apartment will meet to try to form a national unity government which could show prime minister nuri al maliki the door. chris? >> thanks for that. the situation in iraq is unpredictable. but the situation here in washington is not. accusations are flying and fingers are pointing. who's responsible for the possible loss of iraq? and among the critics, one stands out, former vice president dick cheney has launched a new offensive against barack obama in what he calls

the collapsing obama doctrine. cheney writes, quote, rare ly a a u.s. president been wrong we'll talk with cheney later in this hour. but first let's look at the obama doctrine. what is it and what has it led to? first, a warning. be vised, some of the video you'll see tonight is very graphic. >> so help you god? >> so help me god. >> congratulations, mr. president. >> candidate obama had promised he would improve america's standing in the world. now that he was president, the world was waiting to find out how. one thing everyone did know, he'd been against the iraq war from the start. >> what i do oppose is a dumb war. >> in fact, his opposition to the war was instrumental in his election victory. >> i don't want to just end the war, but i want to end the mindset that got us in the war in the first place. >> obama's mindset suggested he

wanted america to play a smaller role on the world stage. it didn't take long for this tumbler approach to show itself. >> we want to reset our relationship. >> march 2009, secretary of state hillary clinton presents russia's foreign minister with a reset button, metaphorically wiping away all that had come before. but what of the middle east? the president himself gave an indication of where he was going in cairo that june. he reached out to the muslim world, acknowledging america's and the west's past errors. >> the tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many muslims. and a cold war in which muslim majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. >> perhaps more significantly, obama laid out his world view when he addressed the u.n. that

september. >> no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. >> in this new thinking, a forceful american president seemed less necessary, even in iraq. vice president joe biden bragged in a tv interview how the administration would end the war. >> i think it's going to be one of the great achievements of this administration. you're going to see 90,000 american troops come marching home by the end of the summer. you're going to see a stable government in iraq that has actually moving toward a representative government. >> then came something view predicted -- the arab spring. nation after nation rose up, forcing out their autocratic leaders. how would the obama administration respond? the president's signature answer came in libya. after much of the world insisted, moammar gadhafi had to

go, obama offered limited air support to the libyan rebels. some characterized this form of multilateralism as leading from behind. >> i don't think it's fair. >> representative adam smith is a democrat from washington state's ninth congressional district. >> you are more likely to be successful if you have partners. second of all, i think in the modern world where power comes in so many different forms if america took the approach, this is the approach, get in line, we would be less likely to be successful in advancing our interests. >> tonight i can report to the american people and to the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden. >> the administration claimed its most notable success overseas when american operatives tracked down and killed the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, osama bin laden. meanwhile, the president and his team were trying to modify an agreement with the maliki

government in iraq. on the status of forces that would be left behind after an american withdrawal. >> we must be as careful in getting out of iraq as we were careless getting in. >> but obama failed to make a deal with iraq. in december of 2011, he brought all the troops home. >> we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant iraq. >> the quotes that i saw from him on a consistent basis were, this is a fragile situation, but there is a stable government. they have a chance. >> but just 24 hours after the last soldier left, iraqi prime minister maliki issued an arrest warrant for his sunni vice president, suggesting the situation in iraq was not as stable as some hoped. and that the threat of sectarian violence remained. >> what maliki did in 2011 forward was to destroy every single chance he had. maliki basically messed up the opportunity that was there.

however fragile it may have been. >> in 2012 with the reelection campaign in full swing, obama was touting the administration's foreign policy successes. >> al qaeda is on the path of defeat and osama bin laden is dead. >> but that narrative was about to be severely challenged. less than a week after the democratic convention, four americans, including ambassador christopher stevens, were murdered when islamist terrorists attacked u.s. installations in benghazi, libya. and there was continuing unrest in syria where bashar al assad was crushing a revolt and where as the world would soon see a renewed al qaeda insurgency was brewing. it was less than two years ago president obama was saying al qaeda was on the path to defeat. perhaps back then he wasn't aware of isis, the islamic state of iraq and syria, a savage offshoot of al qaeda.

but like all the rest of us, he's certainly aware now. coming up, we'll look at this militant group that's carving out its own state in parts of syria and iraq. what are its goals and how does it plan to achieve them? ♪

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isis, the islamic state of iraq and syria? i spoke with jessica lewis, research director of the institute for the study of war. she's a former army intelligence officer and bronze star recipient who was deployed in iraq and afghanistan for almost three years. tell me a little bit about the structure of isis both as an organization and as a military -- i mean, they have an annual report? >> uh-huh. they do. they've actually had two. its broadcast activities and religious activities were broadcast -- >> you're talking about an army, you're talking about a government, you're talking about a religious institution. you're talking about annual reports. this is a very formidable opponent. >> it is. this organization is vulnerable in its current state. but the more it's able to establish new norms for itself, the more it's able to bring

itself together and effectively govern, the more dangerous it can become. >> what role did the syrian civil war play in the resurgence of isis? >> it broke down a lot of barriers. it brought a lot of foreign fighters into the iraq front and it gave them a chance to say that they could be more than just the islamic state of iraq. that in fact that they could become the most powerful military organization to exert control in both iraq and syria. >> and what role did president obama's refusal to intervene militarily in syria play in all of that? >> we definitely saw that after july 2013 when the united states did not intervene in syria, forces inside of iraq and syria were emboldened. >> do you have any sense how many fighters isis has? >> my estimates are very conservative. i think that we are looking at

about 4,000 fighters on the iraq front and about 6,000 fighters on the syrian front. >> so 10,000 total? >> 10,000. the trouble, though, particularly on the iraq front is they aren't the only ones on the offensive against the government right now. >> when isis takes over a city, mosul, what do they establish there? what is life like under isis? >> what isis initially did was establish a set of rules for social behavior that included some various restrictions, particularly upon women and upon praying five times a day, just very strict sharia law that one would assume would be very vigorously enforced. >> they talk about killing, cutting off hands, crucifixion. >> they live-tweeted a corporal punishment beheading, they took credit for crucifixions.

>> what is isis' strategy? what is its ambition? >> they want to establish this state in a middle east where iraq and syria no longer exist. they want that to be a -- not just a safe haven for foreign fighters but in fact a place that like-minded people come to in order to live. they want to expand that with a military as far as they possibly can. and i think they want to be the thought leaders in the global jihadist revolution. >> can you negotiate with them? >> no. i do not think you can negotiate with them. i don't think that they need to negotiate. they have a military. they're using it. that's their strategy. >> and they're winning? >> yes. when we come back, we'll look at the ever-changing power structure in iraq where isis is now a major player. has the part of the country they now control reached the tipping point where it will turn permanently against the west?

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we've all seen the astonishing speed of the isis advance across iraq. but what can we expect now and can we do anything to reverse the situation? retired four-star general and fox news contributor jack keene gave me a briefing on the situation. >> the map referenced in 2006 on the left is really fascinating because it's in 2006 that we were really and truly losing the war in iraq. and baghdad was literally exploding. >> so all of these darker areas,

these were all controlled by al qaeda and iraq and by the sunni insurgents? >> absolutely. >> and here in baghdad, you're talking about most of the city? >> most of the city was definitely controlled by the al qaeda, by the sunni insurgents. and the city was just hell. >> now take us to the map on the right. >> well, the surge began in january and february of 2007. and quite remarkably, by the end of 2007, we began to achieve some tangible success. and by 2008 we had driven the al qaeda out of all of the regions you see on the map to the left because they are now gone from baghdad of any consequence from fallujah to ramadi. in the latter part of 2008, we were actually able to drive them out of the last major city and that was mosul. al qaeda in 2008 and 2009 in their own communications to each

other admitted that we've been defeated in iraq. >> now, this is where we are today. >> what we're looking at on the map is radical islamic movements spreading in the middle east and into africa. they're related to al qaeda. their affiliates. this map represents in the last four years, according to iran's study, a 58% increase in radical islamist organizations and the amount of territory that they control and a double increase in the amount of terrorists are operating out there. >> i've heard president obama personally dismiss this and say, hey, look, if a j.v. team suits up like the lakers, it doesn't mean you're facing kobe bryant. are these j.v. teams or is this the real lakers? >> here's the problem with diminishing the threat and referring to it as a j.v. team. the major lesson out of 9/11 is we permitted unimpeded for a number of years the al qaeda sanctuary to grow in

afghanistan. you cannot let these safe havens and sanctuaries, in my judgment, grow into the varsity. >> tell me what this map shows. >> this map actually depicts what isis has been able to achieve. in black is what they actually control physically on the ground. in dark red is what they're attempting to control. and in the lighter red is their support zones. >> this is a hell of a lot of territory. >> because of the success they've achieved, they've actually grown into a terrorist army. >> we're not talking about a terrorist organization. this is a terrorist army. >> that is what's different because it fights conventionally now. and it moves into towns and dominates them with combat power. just overwhelming those who are in those towns and cities. >> how do you explain the astonishing advance of isis in iraq in the last few weeks?

>> let's just take mosul. they've been shaping mosul for two years by conducting terrorist attacks. this is vehicle-borne ied, suicide bombers, blowing up government facilities, police stations, undermining people's confidence in its military and in its police. and then last summer in 2013, they began an assassination campaign of key individuals. i think they waited till that target they believed had lost its resolve and its will and then they launched this conventional military operation to seize mosul. >> is isis in syria and iraq a threat to the u.s. homeland? is it a safe haven for terror attacks against us? >> as of right now, isis is not a direct threat to the u.s. homeland because they're too busy fighting a war in iraq and in syria. once they consolidate and are comfortable with their own security situation, then it will be a breeding ground for the development of terrorist activities and terrorist operations other places. >> and is that months from now

or years from now? >> based on how this situation goes in iraq, i would assume it's months from now. >> a threat to the u.s. homeland? >> yes. >> general, what's this? >> this depicts what their intentions are in terms of establishing an islamic state, a caliphate that dominates syria and most all of iraq to include baghdad here. >> this is the islamic caliphate that osama bin laden was talking about more than a decade ago. >> absolutely. this is exactly that forming before our eyes. >> so given where they are already and their ultimate designs, what should the u.s. role be going forward? >> we have to drive isis back so we can retake those towns. the iraqi ground forces have to do that assisted, i believe, by our airpower and restore the

natural sovereign border of iraq. that will force them back into terrorist activities in iraq which they will continue to do. >> but they won't be the army, the state that they have become now? >> that's absolutely right. we will not eliminate them. but we can push it back to where hopefully it can be managed by the iraqi military. >> what you're saying, general, is not boots on the ground but we're going to end up back involved in iraq and trying to win this war all over again? >> it would be in a very limited and selected fashion, though, chris. >> but the war for iraq is not over? >> by a long shot it's not. >> is it possible as the general suggests that in a few months militant jihadists will be able to export terror to the u.s. homeland? that may seem unlikely. but they've done it before. when we come back, we'll look at how that attack on 9/11 changed the world we live in. and we'll talk with a man who

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>> my fellow citizens, at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. >> 2003, the invasion of iraq was on. butthe consulate has been a long time in the making. in 1990, saddam hussein invaded an annexed kuwait. america forged a coalition that responded decisively. driving iraqi forces out of kuwait but leaving saddam hussein still in charge in baghdad. in 2000, george w. bush ran as a compassionate conservative and concentrated on domestic issues. but the events of september 11th changed everything. >> good evening. >> bush responded that day. >> we will make no distinction

between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. >> it was the first declaration of one of the pillars of what would come to be known as the bush doctrine. >> the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> in 2001, bush's military response was to attack afghanistan. with the ruling taliban harbored the al qaeda leaders responsible for 9/11. >> the president made the decision that we had to go on the offensive. >> williams ludy served as special assistant to the president for defense strategy and policy. >> this meant a complete rethinking of our strategic doctrine when it came to fighting terrorism. >> president bush continued to develop his doctrine for fighting america's new threat. >> the war on terror will not be won on the defensive. we must take the battle to the

enemy, disrupt its plans and confront the worst threats before they emerge. >> it is not complicated. how do we prevent the next attack? and since we had adopted this "wait until you're attacked and then send in the law enforcement folks," the president understood that this dynamic had to change. >> march 20th, 2003, the u.s. invades iraq. baghdad fell in three weeks. but the insurgency would continue for years. meanwhile, bush was reelected and his doctrine continued to evol evolve. >> the survival of liberty in our land increasing depends on the success of liberty in other lands. the best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world. >> this is the capstone of the president's freedom agenda. the president essentially said that tyrannies, dictatorships

are inherently unstable. and when they implode, this causes a clear and present danger to the united states. >> as the fighting dragged on and casualties mounted, the iraq war became less popular here at home. some politicians who had once supported it now turned against our involvement there. >> this war is lost. >> republicans suffered big losses in the 2006 midterms. and democrats took the house and senate. president obama decided to double down sending thousands of more troops into the war. the surge was generally opposed by the war's critics, including the junior senator from illinois. >> i express my opposition to upping the levels of troops in iraq. >> but in 2007, the levels of violence in iraq was down, to levels not seen before the invasion.

nevertheless, the war was now widely seen as a mistake. and in 2008, republicans lost the white house to a candidate who ran on his opposition to ever getting involved there. >> the war had been won, al qaeda had been defeated, iraq was off on the process of political maturation and training and equipping its own military force. by the time president bush had left office in 2009, i think it's generally accepted that iraq had been stabilized. >> one of the architects of the iraq war strategy has strong feelings about why that stability didn't last. next, dick cheney on barack obama. h. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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received right after we were elected, before we were sworn in was a report from the cia that warned about iraq and wmd. everybody believed that saddam hussein had wmd. he produced it before. >> let me ask you about two other statements. you said the u.s. would be greeted in iraq as liberators. >> that's what we had been told by intelligence and initially there was great satisfaction. >> but having said that, in 2005, you said the insurgency was in its last throes just before it got much worse. >> i obviously misjudged the situation. it turned out the problem was going to be much tougher than we thought it was going to be. >> some people say, hey, why should we listen to him, back when he was in charge, he was wrong about a lot of these -- >> i think most of the people who say that were critics of the policy in the first place. i come back to the proposition that by the time we finished in

iraq, we had, as we were leaving office, we had in fact dealt with most of that problem. we had the sunni united with the shia and the government. we had relatively the effective military forces left, with respect to the iraqis. and we had pretty well stabilized the situation as barack obama himself said. so we were in good shape by the >> president obama said he was leaving a country that was sovereign, stable and self-reliant. >> right. >> what went wrong, mr. vice president? >> well, what i believe went wrong was the failure to negotiate a stay-behind agreement. they were unable to reach agreement for status of forces about the u.s. military, our generals wanted a stay-behind force of 18,000 to 20,000 people. the white house said, no. >> so what would you do now? >> as i say, i'd start by

reversing most of the obama policies. i'd rebuild the u.s. military -- >> specifically, how would you take on isis today? >> well, i would work hard with those states that are around there, jordan comes immediately to mind. i'd go to the saudis and the emirates, the uae, and restore their confidence in the united states, that we're in this fight with them, that we've got their back. that we're willing to make the kinds of commitments of e own military capability so that if they do get a caliphate established in that region, say, iraq and syria, that we will have skin in the game. >> but would you reintroduce u.s. ground troops? >> to do what? to go in and fight a major battle? i'd be reluctant to do that partly because of the confused political situation inside iraq itself. i would give serious thought to the -- some of the kinds of things we were able to do in iraq previously with our special

ops guys. they are very good, very sophisticated, able to target individuals. >> how do you feel about bringing iran into the discussion about iraq? >> bad idea. the iranians are, in many respects, the common enemy for a lot of our friends out there. the idea that we're going to welcome iran in to solving the problem in ukraine. >> as you understand it, what is the obama doctrine in fighting terrorism? >> well, for starters, they don't believe there's a problem. or at least they act that way, they've said as much. they went from a situation where nay got bin laden in 2011 and then their attitude after that has been, we got bin laden, problem solved. secondly, he's been heavily involved in trying to withdraw the u.s. from the middle east.

we got out of iraq and didn't leave a stay-behind force there. he's already said he wants to do the same thing in afghanistan. the result of all that is to significantly diminish the capacity of the united states government to influence events in that part of the world. i have a lot of friends out there from the last 25 years and to a person, arab, israeli, they all have lost confidence in the united states. they no longer believe they can count on us. a lot of what's involved in the obama doctrine, i think, is to significanth?xs diminish theb5 capacity of the united states to influence events around the world. he's not decimating al qaeda. he's decimating our own defense department. >> to what end would he want to weaken our capability? >> i think he really believes that a strong u.s. is disruptive to what he thinks the world ought to be. the united states has played a role for good in the world, for stability and peace and

peacekeeping with significant military assets and the willingness to use them occasionally. i don't think he believes in that. i think his world view is different than what has been the national consensus, republican and democrat alike, since world war ii. and that is that the u.s. has a major leading role to play in the world. >> just on a personal level, when you think of all the blood and treasure that we spent in fallujah, in mosul, in ramadi, to see it all go back to al qaeda, how does it make you feel? >> well, it's a tragedy. it didn't]m$tuq to happen this way, if in fact the situation that we left in '07 and '08 after the surge with iraq in relatively good order and a stay-behind force there to keep it that way, it would be a lot easier for the parents and the families of those who gave their lives there to accept it.

>> final question, why are you speaking out? it seems clear that you are on a kind of offensive to speak out about this. and you must realize, given how polarizing a figure that you are, that for some americans, your criticism will only make president obama more popular. >> well, he's going to need a lot more help than that to improve his current standing in the polls. but i'm convinced that the fate of the republic is heavily involved in these issues. and if i don't speak out, i don't know who else will. and i feel that i can speak with some credibility because i've been there, i've been involved in all those discussions and developments. and i feel very strongly that it's important to do it. i believe in it. i don't need to sort of reengage in the political wars. but i really, really believe that we are in big trouble and

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tonight, how both have played out in the middle east and across the world. here to tackle big picture is our panel, charles lane, pin writer for the washington post, liz cheney who just wrote a scathing assessment of the president's foreign policy and charles krauthammer. chuck, how responsible is the obama doctrine? ending wars insteading winning

wars how big a factor do you think that is in the mess we find ourselves in? >> i don't think you can say it caused it. i think the forces were welling up some ways for a century, but since before he became president, these insurgence were looking for opportunities but i think the decision to stay out of syria, decisions to pivot to asia, all communicated loud and clear the idea the united states was not as interested as it had been before, and therefore there is an opening and opportunity if people wanted to be disruptive and i think at the same time communicated to our allies that they might have to look for their own opportunities important in iraq. i think policy regimes have become increasingly reliant on iran. >> some critics say that the

real problem was not the on yauma doctrine, but bush doctrine practiced by president bush and your dad iraq had nothing to do with september 11th. there was no al weigheda presence in iraq before the u.s. invaded. critics would say that the problem isn't how obama pulled out, but how bush, and cheney, went in. >> i'm sure we'll debate what happened for a long time to come. i believe we did the right thing. i think the critical point is what condition was iraq in in 2009? and in 2009, because of the surge, because frankly president bush, vice president recognized that the iraq situation was going in the wrong direction because the president made the decision to surge forces in, we were in a place where iraq was stable, al qaeda had largely been defeated and president obama had a clear and specific thinking to negotiate a stay

behind agreement. he's trying now and secretary clinton as well are trying to pretend it was the iraqi's decision we didn't have a stay-behind agreement but the president can't have it both ways he said i'm going to pull troops out, after the campaign he said i pulled our troops out. now, he's saying it wasn't my fault the troops came out. it is clear it was his fault. you're seeing consequences of the decision. >> how is the possible 13 years after september 11th that if you believe vice president cheney, you could believe jack keane that the threat we face is greater than it was then? >> because it's a new kind of war. along the war, we made mistakes. and i think the principle mistake that accounts for the rise of isis in syria and iraq is the withdrawal of american

power, one great super power in the world from syria and iraq. iraq in 2011 left iraq in the hands of a sectarian government without the influence of the united states while in there, we did not act in the sectarian way. it was inclusive. it had sons of iraq, sunni army paid by central government. it held together that change overnight in absence of our influence. that is utterly predicted. and of course, in syria, when obama spoke about assad had to go. he left a vacuum into which the bad guys went iran hezbollah and russia. this is what happens. that is the reason we are where we are today you create a vacuum. bad guys will come they came. >> all of the polls indicate that this country is more weary, more worn out what. do we do now? does the country have the will?

does the president have the will to confront this threat? >> there is a tendency to swing between last two administrations from massive involvement with ground troops, to opposite. under obama we won't think about air strikes let alone ground troops. i think the lesson of the situation is we have to find a sustainable balanced approach. one doesn't abandon this region. but one that doesn't impose on the american public. a price that clearly they don't want to sustain. and i think that that is going to take internal unity in this country. and political polarization. and a lot more seriousness from everybody about this long-term situation. >> liz, does this country, this president have the will to confront this threat? >> part of making sure the country has will is having a president to lead z i'm very worried. i'm not a fan of the president.

i think his foreign policy has been a disaster. but "time" again, even when he made a decision that he wants the american people to support, he doesn't get out there to fight for it. we need someone who is recognizing that we say there is a clear and present danger to national security of the nation and willing to go out to generate the support yes need in the american people that have to fight that. >> leadership requires honesty of the people. people will make the right decision if given the honest truth. obama argues unless awe dopt his policy, the only alternative is all-out war. it's not. it's to win back the sunnis that can be done at low cost if we win back the sunnis, the course of the war can be reversed. >> thank you, panel. and thank you. tonight it seems there are bad choices and worse choices in iraq. as the debate goes on we need to

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